JSE Direct with Simon Brown

Podcast: Hello longest economic expansion ever

In JSE Direct, Latest by Simon Brown

Simon Shares

  • CSEW40* change confirmed for next Wednesday, it’ll now be SMART.
  • Trade peace, kinda ~ for now. In classic Trump style, lots of huffing, puffing and threatening the blow the house down. Until a ‘deal’ is reached.
  • Afrimat (JSE code: AFT) walks away from the Universal Coal deal. No details, but likely they didn’t like what they saw? Respect, far too many deals get deal mania and concluded no matter what.
  • PricewaterhouseCoopers has resigned as auditors of Group5 (JSE code: GRF). Now this is moot as Group5 is in business rescue with no chance of surviving and PWC cites heightened risks due to resignations of many senior execs. But one wonders if they’d had quit in the older auditing days?
  • Upcoming events;

* I hold ungeared positions.



Longest economic expansion ever

The current US economic expansion is now officially the longest ever at 121 months edging out the 1991-2001 120 month economic expansion and also the longest bull market at 122 months with the return still behind the 1990-2001 dotcom rally.

Economic expansion

Economic expansion


Longest bull markets

Longest bull markets

But this raises two issues.

Where’s our rally? Nov17-Oct18 saw out market off more than 20% meaning the end of any bull and we’re only up some 10% since the highs of Jun14, five years for 10% and we’re +12% so far in 2019. Horror stats albeit we’re up almost 400% from the 2009 lows while the S&P500 is up just over 400%. Both great returns (one naturally better than the other), and this does remind us to always think long-term and worry less about the immediate when investing because 400% is a great return over a decade.

Second issue is when does the US collapse? Short answer is no idea. But records are made for being broken and while the US economy doesn’t look as strong as it has over many of the past 121 months, there’s not yet any wildly flashing signs of concern.

Naturally a black swan is a potential risk, but then it always is.

But here’s my question. The Fed looks like it may start reducing rates, all good. But then what happens when things go pear shaped and they have no space for further rate reductions? Negative rates in the Europe or US?

Currently there is some US$12trillion of corporate and government debt with negative rates which is just insane and shows that while markets have run (some markets), we’re still feeling the impact of the 2008/9 crisis.


JSE – The JSE is a registered trademark of the JSE Limited.

JSE Direct is an independent broadcast and is not endorsed or affiliated with, nor has it been authorised, or otherwise approved by JSE Limited. The views expressed in this programme are solely those of the presenter, and do not necessarily reflect the views of JSE Limited.


Upcoming webinars

Click here to meet the Just One Lap team at one of our live, free events.

Subscribe to Just One Lap